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Fresh calls for lower speed limits on the B1108 after driver dies in horror crash at Scoulton

16:30 29 October 2014

Police investigate the fatal road accident near Scoulton where one person died.
Picture by SIMON FINLAY.

Police investigate the fatal road accident near Scoulton where one person died. Picture by SIMON FINLAY.

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A campaigner has launched a fresh appeal to reduce speed limits along a dangerous stretch of road after a man died when his car plunged into a ditch.

Daisy Thomas has been fighting to slow drivers from 50mph to 30mph along the busy B1108 Watton Road from Hingham to Scoulton for 18 months.

On Monday, despite the best efforts of ambulance crews, a man in his 30s was pronounced dead at the scene after his silver Vauxhall Astra went into a ditch at Scoulton.

The 21-year-old said: “It’s a real shame because it’s so horrible and it makes you wonder whether if they had lowered the speed limit whether he would have died. There’s a family out there grieving their loss and it could have been avoided.”

Her campaign has gained the backing of the town council, Norfolk County Councillor Margaret Dewsbury and those living nearby.

Residents along Watton Road just outside Hingham, want more done about speeding cars following a spate of accidents. Daisy Thomas gathers neighbours to highlight the problem.

Photo: Sonya DuncanResidents along Watton Road just outside Hingham, want more done about speeding cars following a spate of accidents. Daisy Thomas gathers neighbours to highlight the problem. Photo: Sonya Duncan

Sara Harries, 35, who lives on Watton Road, said: “It is a really dangerous stretch of road. Even right through the centre of Hingham they still tear through at much higher speeds.”

Paul Mihalop works at P and D Tank Services on the B1108. He said: “We are trying to get large vehicles in and out of our yard onto road with a limit of 50mph - which is probably too fast anyway - and people are coming along at 55mph plus.

“Unfortunately I think this accident will the first of a handful this year as the roads get greasy and slippery.”

A spokesperson for Norfolk County Council said: “As with every fatality on our roads we will look carefully at the circumstances, working with the police and taking into account the outcome of the inquest, to see if there are any measures we can put in place to make the road safer.”

What do those living on the road think?

• Margaret Wilshaw, 77, who lives on Watton Road in Hingham, said: “There have been people campaigning for a slower speed limit on it for years now. It is a dangerous road - it’s too bendy and too narrow for people to be coming round at 50 or 60mph.

“My son had a minor scrape a couple of years ago when a van came round a corner too fast. Luckily it wasn’t serious but it could have been worse.”

• Tony Parker, 28, who lives along the B1108 in Scoulton, said: “I didn’t hear the crash yesterday but I knew something had happened when I saw the traffic building up. It is such sad news and I do hope that something can be done to stop something similar happening in the future.

“It is a dangerous stretch of road - I don’t know of any other such serious accidents so close to us.”

• Jenny Moore, 85, said: “They do roar along those roads - and often going much faster than the speed limit, which is already too high I think.”

He added that the council hopes to reduce the limit on Frost Row, in Hingham, from 50mph to 40mph in the hopes of improving conditions throughout the area.

Police are appealing for information on the accident, which happened at around 1.15pm on Monday, October 27.

Scene of many accidents

With its narrow lanes and sharp bends, the B1108 has become the backdrop of dozens of tragic accidents.

In August, 23-year-old Leanne Warnes was driving from Norwich to Watton when she was involved in a crash with another car near Hingham.

She suffered neck, chest and knee injuries which were not serious.

In April, Watton Road was closed at Barford both ways because of a four-vehicle crash.

The incident involved a Nissan 4x4, a Vauxhall Cavalier, a foreign registered VW Lupo and a VW van.

In September 2013, the road was blocked at Little Melton following a crash, while in August two incidents saw a car roll on its side and a crash block the Watton Road at Bawburgh.

In July, a motorcyclist was killed near Watton.

Robert Muggeridge, of Puddledock Farm in Great Hockham, died when his motorbike collided with a mini-bus.

35 comments

  • My brother was died in this accident. It is tragedy for me and my Family but we want say thank you for all people who tried take him from car and come back to life. Thank you for your effort, risk own life even it wasn't help him. I do understand people who are living in Scoulton. It is not safety road. I heard there was a lot of accidents. I am coming to place where my brother died and I see how people driving and Scoulton's people has right to try do something to protect yourself. From my point of view there should be speed camera and definitely all drivers will slow down and this place will be much more safety.

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    E

    Tuesday, November 4, 2014

  • This crash is a horribly tragic thing but it's seriously not a dangerous road. I drive it every single day and have no problems it's actually a joy to drive, I'm only witness to other people's idiocy. Roads only become genuinely dangerous when people act stupidly, whether that means going excessively slow which causes other road users to overtake or whether it's going excessively fast which makes you lose control over your vehicle or simply trying to overtake in stupid places. To campaign to reduce the speed limit on these busy roads seems to penalize sensible drivers whilst leaving arrogant ones to still continue breaking that same speed limit like they usually do. To simply say 'we need to reduce the speed limit to stop people from dying' is while heart felt, obviously not a well thought out plan.

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    beno

    Thursday, October 30, 2014

  • I could not agree more with Norfolk John. The road does not need a lower speed limit, drivers simply need to be educated more. Less use of mobiles behind the wheel would be a good start, too many people think this is still acceptable. This most recent accident where someone tragically lost his life wasn't even in the 50mph limit. The campaigners just seem to be jumping on the bandwagon whilst the road is in the press. And as for the campaigners not wanting to hear other people's points of view and claiming it is a waste of time - why have an article on the local paper's website?! Reducing the speed limit is not the answer to less accidents on Norfolk's roads.

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    Joe

    Wednesday, October 29, 2014

  • Every fatal accident is a tragedy but speed limits are not a blanket answer. It is the inappropriate use of speed that causes speed related accidents and if a limit is imposed for any given environment driversriders will still drive to what they feel safe to do. By far the better idea is to increase the amount of traffic Police on our roads and let them deal with people appropriately...

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    Vulpes

    Wednesday, October 29, 2014

  • Tragic, but road deaths are at an all time low, cancer and heart disease are at an all time high. I think we need to put effort into these diseases rather than keep hammering away at road safety. More people die a week to cancer and heart disease in Norfolk than die in a year on the road......makes you think!

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    Fact man

    Wednesday, October 29, 2014

  • I do understand appropriate speed and speeding. This is about the residents who live on this stretch of road wanting a lower speed limit due to the sites we have witnessed and to make it safer for children and older people to have access into the town. We are very fortunate to have had a path put down however if a car is travelling 50mph and looses control and hits a pedestrian then the chances of them surviving is minimal. I like to hear other peoples views however unless you have lived there or walked the road I don't see what relevance they have. I think that some of you just want a reaction which is pathetic. So regardless of your opinions or comments we will continue to campaign until we get the speed we are happy with and the measures in place to ensure that we have done everything we can to stop another family suffering a loss. Thanks.

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    Daisy Thomas

    Wednesday, October 29, 2014

  • Our campaign, the residents of Frost Row would like a lower speed limit, I understand that you have an opinion but unless you live there and have experienced and witnessed the aftermath of crashes and had your lounge used to treat those injured you don't know how much of an issue speed is, its easy for people to comment on it because they use the road to commute but unless you have walked that road or lived on it commenting on here is a waste of time. Of course there are lots of factors into a crash but if we can reduce the speed this may avoid as many crashes from happening. Our aim is to avoid anybody else ever loosing a life.

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    Daisy Thomas

    Wednesday, October 29, 2014

  • Alex I agree about the average speed camera, that would really help save lives, as would have to slow down the whole stretch of road. Good idea.

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    Kc1

    Wednesday, October 29, 2014

  • The ground they were stood on is off the road, and cars would not have to swerve to avoid these people, this is now a pavement so that residents can walk safely off the road, although until the speed limit is reduced, it is still a dangerous stretch of road. Alex, this stretch of road is as you know the Scouton straight, which then cambers round near Hingham, which is the main problem, as people fly along there, there is a 'dip' in the road, then speeding drivers hit the camber and plough into the verges, gardens, walls etc. they also do it coming out from 30 to 50, from Hingham, speed up, fly round the bend, then same consequence. I have lived here for over 20 years, this is a 'B' road, with traffic at great volumes with the development of Watton over the years. The roads are quite wide, with good visibility in general if you adhere to the speed limits. The majority of accidents are on these bends, this is also where a majority of the residents live.

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    Kc1

    Wednesday, October 29, 2014

  • Actually Kc1, you are standing on the Public Highway, as defined by the Highways Act 1959!

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    Norfolk John

    Wednesday, October 29, 2014

  • Just to add, individual speed camera's are not an answer unless you'd like drivers looking at their speedo's instead of the road. I would however say that an average speed camera system through Scolton's existing 50mph zone would be an acceptable way to improve driver behaviour through this section of road.

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    Alex Holdroyd

    Wednesday, October 29, 2014

  • I drive along this road everyday and have seen loads of near misses, some drivers will overtake even when you are doing 5055 mph and vanish into the distance, this isn't a great stretch of road as there are loads of openings junctions, tractors use it on a daily basis leaving mud on the road making it slippery on the corners. I am surprised that there isn't a speed camera on there?

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    sr44

    Wednesday, October 29, 2014

  • Actually Voice of Reason, they are standing on private land, not the highway, as you can see the road is adjacent to it, as can be seen by the SLOW sign that is painted across the whole of the road, so they are not "stupid people", if you care to visit the site you will see, your comments are just offensive. And no, speeding is not the route cause of all accidents, but it is proven in this location shown by comment from Daisy if you care to read it. Next time there is an accident, would you like to come and inform The ambulance, fire service etc who attend these accidents regularly, your expert opinions on the cause, I am sure they would love to hear them. We are the ones that help these people when accidents occur, so don't tell us we are stupid, well done Daisy and co for all your campaigning, ignore these silly comments by people who have nothing better to do.

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    Kc1

    Wednesday, October 29, 2014

  • I have witnessed an accident on this road and it was due to speed, the results from other accidents were speed. Your right, accidents will continue to happen due to poor driving but if the speed limit is lower and they had more sanctions in place and dealt with speeding more serious accidents would reduce. I would love nothing more than to have a speed camera on this road

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    Daisy Thomas

    Wednesday, October 29, 2014

  • Although I agree with all the comments regarding speed and that reducing the speed limit may or may not change a person’s speed on that road, I have to say that certain people here are viewing this all too simplistically. A man has died, his girlfriend has spent days crying at the spot her boyfriend lost his life, a family have lost their son. Please for 1 REMEMBER that!!!! 2) I have lived on this stretch of road for 3 years, and my husband and I and our neighbours have pulled people out of cars and allowed our homes to be used by emergency services to give medical aid to these drivers and passengers. I am fully aware that one if not more of the emergency service personnel who dealt with the accident on Monday are struggling to get over what they had to deal with. Im sure one day one of us “stupid people” living on this stretch of road will be closing our eyes to same scene. It is in our nature as human beings to help car accident victims, would any of you just keep on walking if you see an accident?? No you wouldn’t , so we will continue pulling people out of cars and watching what it does to family members, emergency service personnel and the people who live here but at the same time we will try to do something about it, if it stops one life being lost then it has succeeded, at least we are trying to do something, trying to stop another family going through what one family are going through right now!!!

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    caramihalop

    Wednesday, October 29, 2014

  • Although I agree with all the comments regarding speed and that reducing the speed limit may or may not change a person’s speed on that road, I have to say that certain people here are viewing this all too simplistically. A man has died, his girlfriend has spent days crying at the spot her boyfriend lost his life, a family have lost their son. Please for 1 REMEMBER that!!!! 2) I have lived on this stretch of road for 3 years, and my husband and I and our neighbours have pulled people out of cars and allowed our homes to be used by emergency services to give medical aid to these drivers and passengers. I am fully aware that one if not more of the emergency service personnel who dealt with the accident on Monday are struggling to get over what they had to deal with. Im sure one day one of us “stupid people” living on this stretch of road will be closing our eyes to same scene. It is in our nature as human beings to help car accident victims, would any of you just keep on walking if you see an accident?? No you wouldn’t , so we will continue pulling people out of cars and watching what it does to family members, emergency service personnel and the people who live here but at the same time we will try to do something about it, if it stops one life being lost then it has succeeded, at least we are trying to do something, trying to stop another family going through what one family are going through right now!!!

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    caramihalop

    Wednesday, October 29, 2014

  • Sorry, 3rd photo infact

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    NorthCity

    Wednesday, October 29, 2014

  • Daisy, I'd assume they're on about the blatently dangerous photo at the top of the page! My sympathies go out to the family of those deceased in this accident & all that have happened, howver until the driving instructors, police & councils start to realise the speeding isn't the root cause of every incident on the road and start to tackle poor driving standards then sadly accidents such as this will continue to occur.

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    NorthCity

    Wednesday, October 29, 2014

  • I don't even know what you are on about? Nobody stands on the road telling people to cross

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    Daisy Thomas

    Wednesday, October 29, 2014

  • Here we go, an accident and all the anti-speed activists start afresh. Speed in itself does not cause accidents …. People driving cars, motor bikes, push bikes etc dangerously and even pedestrians wandering into the road cause accidents but speed by itself does not cause accidents. It may well be that the person killed was driving dangerously by driving too fast for the road andor conditions, only time and the police, who will undoubtedly be trying to apportion blame on someone, will tell. However, this road is already restricted to 50mph and it is a busy road, so any further restriction on the free movement of traffic should be opposed.

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    Norfolk John

    Wednesday, October 29, 2014

  • Lord elf, it has been proved by a review under taken by the policehighways that speed is the factor in the crashes which as a result of going to fast causes the drivers to loose control hence why they are lowering it to 40mph. Having a lower speed limit is safer for the residents living here when walking and if people continue to drive above the speed limit it wont be 60mph it will be 50mph as drivers on average drive only 10mph above the limit set due to penalties being less severe

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    Daisy Thomas

    Wednesday, October 29, 2014

  • Lord Elf, yep, all the people we have to drag out of cars thought the same as you, they went out of control for no obvious reason, and the fact they were flying round the bends was a complete coincidence. The road is lovely it's just the idiots who plough into our properties at regular intervals whist speeding that ruin it. A speed limit is ruining it already, that why we want it lowered.

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    Kc1

    Wednesday, October 29, 2014

  • This is a lovely road. All a speed limit will do is to ruin it. The main cause of accidents is people losing control of the vehicle rather than speed itself.

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    Lord Elf

    Wednesday, October 29, 2014

  • I agree with KC1, if you don't think speed is a factor park your car at the social club and walk the entire road up to the crash site. Unless you live there and have experienced if I don't expect you to understand. Statistics prove that drivers when speeding speed normally only 10mph above the set limit, if the limit was 30mph and on average people was doing 10mph more then the injury caused to them if they crashed and to pedestrians would be a lot less serious than hitting somebody or something at 60mph. Saying the road is safe if driven by a "good driver" is not true because a "good driver" can still loose control and crash. Speed is the main factor for all accidents on this road and that is why I am trying to get it lower.

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    Daisy Thomas

    Wednesday, October 29, 2014

  • It is not speed or the road that kills, but inappropriate speed on that road, at that time that kills. Sadly until the Police make a decison to get out of their cars & deal with poor driving, rather than relying on speed cameras to raise budget in the most profitable locations or members of the public to film poor conduct on their own cameras & then hand it over, nothing will change & people will continue to die.

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    el84

    Wednesday, October 29, 2014

  • I have driven along this stretch many of times at 50mph and cars still overtake. Making it 30mph will make no difference.....they will still speed up to get past. Same with the acle straight. Perfectly good road if driven on by good drivers.

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    canaryboy71

    Wednesday, October 29, 2014

  • Daisy, I understand what you are trying to do and it's great that someone is trying to make a difference, but for years speed has been used to explain driving accidents and it's just not the case. It's the easy way out for the authorities to blame someone and do nothing themselves, speed does not kill, stupidity or driving without care and attention will, but that's far to expensive to monitor or control. Rather than the speed limit being lowered, maybe reduce the road to single file and use the space to create passing places. That would be something more physical to reduce and control traffic which would work far better than a small round sign strapped to a post.

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    parkeg1

    Wednesday, October 29, 2014

  • That's why we want the speed limit at 30, so when idiots drive well over it, they will hopefully not be flying around the bends at 70, if you don't think speed is a factor, just stand on that road for a while, you may just change your mind. People fly round the bends and along the Scoulton straight like its a motor track.

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    Kc1

    Wednesday, October 29, 2014

  • It will make no difference what speed limit is in place, drivers will still ignore it like they do all other driving offences, like using mobile phone, drink driving. The law has to become more stricter with fines and disqualifications

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    Derek McDonald

    Wednesday, October 29, 2014

  • I hear what you say Daisy , but if some people are intent on breaking the speed limit , they'll do it if it's 30 , 20 , or 10mph. Poor driving is the overiding factor here , conditions vary on all roads , & people need to adjust their driving to the varying conditions.

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    Sonia Head

    Wednesday, October 29, 2014

  • I agree with you but this isn't the case. Drivers with years of experience or little sometimes have accidents relating to speed due to factors sometimes out of their control but unless you live on this stretch of road you don't know how serious this issue is. Over the last year we have pulled children out of overturned cars and given blankets to those in vehicles we can't get out whilst waiting for emergancy services to arrive. Its easy to say drive to your capabilities but realisticly this doesnt happen and statics show that speed is the main factor for crashes and that on average people drive 10mph above the limit set, that 10 mph can make all the difference to a life lost or kept.

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    Daisy Thomas

    Wednesday, October 29, 2014

  • Here we go agaqin. More knee jerk reactions from people who do not yet know the full facts. And this rag give them space !

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    "V"

    Wednesday, October 29, 2014

  • I agree with Sonia Head, drive to the conditions and situation, and you'll be fine. Whilst I can see why the campaign has jumped on this but there is no indication speed was involved in this accident.

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    parkeg1

    Wednesday, October 29, 2014

  • Roads are not dangerous if people are sensible enough to drive according to the conditions. The 50 mph limit is just that , a limit, it doesn't mean you must drive at 50 mph at all times. Drive according to your capabilities & the prevailing conditions - you'll be fine.

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    Sonia Head

    Wednesday, October 29, 2014

  • You can lower the speed limits all you like, but with no enforcement it's an absolute waste of time.

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    Cuthbert J. Twillie

    Wednesday, October 29, 2014

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